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Sub-part introduction:

This sub-part lists Scriptures that show that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, often called the dual procession. We place this at the top of this Section 8.6 since those in the "orthodox" heresy do not recognize the Catholic Sources of Dogma after the year 1054 A.D.

The truth from Heaven is the Catholic Sources of Dogma, it isn't Bible interpretation. The Catholic Dogma on the Procession is at sub-part E below.

Catholic writing of Saint John 16:13-14 >
13: "But when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will teach you all truth."
14: "He shall glorify Me; because He shall receive of mine, and shall shew it to you."
15: "All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine."

Note 1: Jesus identifying that the Holy Spirit is ... "of mine" ... and that all the Father has (that is the procession of the Holy Spirit) are Christ's also.

Note 2: Clearly shows the dual procession of the Holy Spirit.

Note 1: The Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) of the first sentence of Romans 8:9 ... is also identified as the Spirit of Christ in the next sentence.

Note 2: Indentifies the dual procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son.

Note: Jesus sending the Holy Spirit to the world in the person of the disciples.

Note: The Holy Spirit being identified as the Spirit of Jesus Christ ... demonstrates the dual procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son.

Note: The Holy Spirit being identified as the Spirit of the Son also ... demonstrates the dual procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son.

Note: Jesus stating that He will send the Holy Spirit ... demonstrates the proceeding of the Holy Spirit from the Son as well as the Father.

Note 1: The Holy Spirit being identfied as "the Spirit of your Father" ... the same language the Catholic New Testament authors use in the above scriptures, writing about the "Spirit of the Son", "the Spirit of Jesus Christ", and the "Spirit of Christ".

Note 2: Identifies the dual procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son ... since the Spirit is referred to in the same fashion with Both.

Note 1: God the Father and God the Son are both fully God. The Holy Spirit here is referred to as "the Spirit of God" ... not just the Spirit of the Father ... so that Catholic Saint Paul attributes to the Holy Spirit the same relation to the Son as to the Father.

Note 2: This identifies the dual Procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son.

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Definition of the word Creed ...

A Creed is a list of articles of faith professed by a given group ... but the list of articles is clearly not the entire Faith that the Creed is summarizing (Note: only the Catholic Faith has true Creeds, other groups have fables they call "creeds").

Latin designates the word Creed in this sense by the name "symbolum" which means either a sign (symbolon) or a collection (symbole).

Thus by the "creeds of Christendom" are understood to be those formulations of the Christian faith which at various times have been drawn up and accepted.

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Creeds of Christendom include the following ... they are different symbols, with different articles of the Faith ...

Creed of Nicaea - General articles of the Faith
Apostles Creed - General articles of the Faith
Athanasian Creed - Articles to combat the "arian" heresy
Nicene Creed - General articles, more articles than the Apostles Creed, and to combat the "arian" heresy
Constantinople Creed - General articles and articles to combat the "macedonian" heresy
Chalcedonian Creed - Articles focused on Christ being fully God and fully man (as a Divine Person)

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The addition of the Procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father into the Creed of the First Council of Constantinople ... from the earlier Creed of Nicaea ... was to combat a heresy of those times.

The heresy ... "macedonianism", also called the "pneumatomachian" heresy ... was a 4th-century heresy against Christianity (the Catholic Church) that denied the full personality and divinity of the Holy Spirit. According to this heresy, the Holy Spirit was created by the Son and was thus subordinate to the Father and the Son.

So an addition was made to the Creed of Nicaea as follows (the text following the words - "And in the Spirit") ...

"And in the Spirit, the holy, the lordly and life-giving one, proceeding forth from the Father, co-worshipped and co-glorified with Father and Son ..."

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The Procession of the Holy Spirit from the Son is not mentioned in the Creed of Constantinople ... because this Creed was directed against the "macedonian" heresy and it was sufficient to declare the Procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father ... to illustrate that the "macedonian" heresy was a man-made fable.

Similarly ...

A very similiar scriptural difficulty along these same lines ... deserving attention is based on the words of Christ as recorded in the Catholic writing of Saint John 15:26 ... that the Spirit proceeds from the Father, without mention being made of the Son. It can not be understood that this omission (no - "from the Son") amounts to a denial of the dual Procession ... since the scriptures listed in sub-part A above clearly show the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son ... as well as from the Father.

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We apply the below scriptures to the apparent difficulty that the Procession of the Holy Spirit from the Son was not identified at the First Council of Constantinople. We are not referencing the Catholic Dogma, at first, since Sources of Dogma after 1054 A.D. is "not recognized" by the "orthodox" heresy.

Jesus to Saint Peter ... scripture regarding the Primacy of Peter in the Papacy ...

Catholic writing of Saint Matthew 16:19 > >
"Whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in Heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in Heaven."

... And of being of one mind in the Faith ...

Catholic writing of Philippians 2:2 >
"Fulfill ye my joy, that you may be of one mind, having the same charity, being of one accord."

Catholic writing of 2 Corinthians 13:11 >
"For the rest, brethren, rejoice, be perfect, take exhortation, be of one mind, have peace; and the God of peace and of love shall be with you."

... And God never changes ...

Catholic Faith (pre-fulfillment) writing of Malachias 3:6 >
"For I am the Lord, and I change not."

Catholic writing of Hebrews 13:8 >
"Jesus Christ, yesterday, and today; and the same for ever."

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Putting together the above three teachings from Scripture ...

1.  The Primacy of Peter for binding and loosing Catholic teaching
2.  The Church being of one mind
3.  God never changing

The Catholic Sources of Dogma (formal definitions of the Pope in union with the Bishops of the world) are infallible truths from Heaven, of the never changing Catholic God, who states that the Church is to be of one mind.

A Source of Dogma on the Procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son ...

Council of Florence, Session 6, July 6, 1439 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"We define, with the approval of this Holy universal Council of Florence, that the following truth of Faith shall be believed and accepted by all Christians and thus shall all profess it: that the Holy Spirit is eternally from the Father and the Son, and has His essence and His subsistent Being from the Father together with the Son, and proceeds from both eternally as from one principle and a single spiration."

The combination of the above Catholic teaching proves that ...

The fact that the Son is not identified regarding the Procession of the Holy Spirit at the First Council of Constantinople cannot be a denial of the Procession of the Holy Spirit from the Son (in addition to the Father) ... but must be an omission of this fact ... when the First Council of Constantinople selected the articles of the Faith which the Council wanted to be included in the Council's Creed in the late 4th Century.

It must be an omission and not a denial simply because of the continuity of the Catholic Church ... which cannot change in it's formal teachings since it's founding in 33 A.D. by Jesus Christ.

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Additional sources of the Faith on the Filioque (Procession from the Son) ...

The teaching of Sacred Scripture on the double Procession of the Holy Spirit has been defended in Christian (that is Catholic) tradition. The writing on the Trinity by Petavius (Lib. VII, cc. iii sqq.) develops the proof of this at length. Here we list some of the later documents in which the Filioque has been clearly expressed:

Letter of St. Leo I to Turribius, Bishop of Astorga, Epistle 15 (447);
The Athanasian Creed;
Council of Toledo in 447;
Council of Toledo in 589;
Council of Toledo in 675;
Council of Toledo in 693;
Letter of Pope Hormisdas to the Emperor Justius, Ep. lxxix (521);
St. Martin I's synodal utterance against the Monothelites, 649-655;
Pope Adrian I's answer to the Caroline Books, 772-795;
Synod of Mérida (666);
Synod of Braga (675);
Synod of Hatfield (680);
Writing of Pope Leo III (d. 816) to the monks of Jerusalem;
Letter of Pope Stephen V (d. 891) to the Moravian King Suentopolcus (Suatopluk), Ep. xiii;
The symbol of Pope Leo IX (d. 1054);
The Fourth Lateran Council, 1215;
The Second Council of Lyons, 1274; and the
The Council of Florence, 1439.

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The "orthodox" fell into heresy against the Catholic Dogma on Jurisdiction and Governance in 1054 A.D. -- under the reign of Pope Saint Leo IX.

Christ founded the Catholic Church on Saint Peter ... after the Resurrection the Apostles brought and preached the Catholic Faith to various parts of the world including Greece, Turkey, and Syria.

The "orthodox" claim that their heretical society was started directly by the Apostles ... because the Apostles did bring the Catholic eternal truths to the geographic areas associated with Eastern liturgy ... for this reason they falsely claim to have Apostolic succession (and all is fine with what they are doing).

The "orthodox", in essence, are saying ... "Everything is fine, no problems ... Apostles were here."

But there is a severe (soul damning) problem ... they have nothing to do with Aposolic succession because they do not hold the Apostolic Faith. In all times (as well as in these times when there are no Catholic bishops or priests) one keeps the Apostolic Faith in the usual manner ... keeping to the Catholic Dogmas whole and inviolate.

How can the "orthodox" be Apostolic when they reject the Apostolic faith ? ?   See Sub-part E below.

The "orthodox" (also called "orthodoxy") are functioning in a manner ... by which externally they look to be of Christ's Catholic Church using an Eastern liturgy.

But to function as an entity of Christ's Catholic Church ... the group must have Catholic Jurisdcition as it is defined in the Jurisdction and Governance Dogma.

As is fully covered on Section 87 of this site ... there is not a single group in the world who has Catholic Jurisdiction ... the single source that can grant Catholic Jurisdiction (the Office of the Papacy) is not operative in these times (see Sections 12 and 13 and their sub-sections of this site).

So when the "orthodox" are performing their "liturgy" (and it is nothing but a performance) ... they are not offering sacrifice to the Catholic God, it is pure idol worship to thin air ... since they do not have Catholic jurisdiction, which is unattainable (for anyone) in these times.

Two Sources of Dogma on Jurisdiction which confirm the Church's teaching on this matter prove that the "orthodox" are functioning in the name of anti-Christ ...

Council of Florence, Laetentur Coeli (Decree of Union), 6 July 1439 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"We likewise define that the holy Apostolic See, and the Roman Pontiff, hold the primacy throughout the entire world; and that the Roman Pontiff himself is the successor of blessed Peter, the chief of the Apostles, and the true vicar of Christ, and that he is the head of the entire Church, and the father and teacher of all Christians; and that full power was given to him in blessed Peter by our Lord Jesus Christ, to feed, rule, and govern the universal Church."

Vatican Council of 1870, Session 4, Chapter 3: On the ... Primacy of the Roman Pontiff, Part 2 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Wherefore we teach and declare that, by Divine ordinance, the Roman Church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman Pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the Church throughout the world."

More Sources of Dogma on Section 87 of this site.

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1.  The "orthodox" are in heresy regarding the procession of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son ... but the "orthodox" promote that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father only. The scriptures of Sub-part A ... are ciations in defense of the following Sources of Dogma.

Fourth Lateran Council, Constitutions, Article 1, 1215 A.D -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"The Father is from none, the Son from the Father alone, and the Holy Spirit from both equally, eternally without beginning or end."

3.  The "orthodox" sinfully "allow" the moral soul damning calamity of divorce and "re-marriage" ... thereby promoting adultry sins against the Sixth Commandment. Of course the "orthodox" didn't start with this iniquity until they left the Catholic Church in 1054 A.D. The vatican-2 heretic cult's version of divorce and "re-marriage" is called "annulment and re-marriage".

4.  The "orthodox" heretical hierarchy (like the vatican-2 cult's hierarchy) ... promote the heresy of "ecumenism". "Ecumenism" is the heresy that all religions should simply coexist, no one is right no one is wrong, all paths lead to God ... all the usual jew-heretic-freemason nonsense. The primary problem with "ecumenism" is that all paths lead to Hell, except one ... being baptized in water and believing the Catholic Dogmas whole and inviolate.

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Catholic Saint John Chrysostom (died 14 September 407 A.D.) ... formulated the liturgy that the non-Catholic "orthodox" heretics are illicitly employing in their non-Catholic "worship".

Why would the "orthodox" use a liturgy formulated by someone who was in the Catholic Church that they reject ?

Would Saint John approve of a heretic cult usurping the liturgy he formulated ... let's see ...

Saint John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church, died 407 A.D. >
"We know that salvation belongs to the Church alone, and that no one can partake of Christ nor be saved outside the Catholic Church and the Catholic Faith."

Saint John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church, died 407 A.D. >
"Zeal for the salvation of souls is of so great a merit before God, that to give up all our goods to the poor, or to spend our whole life in the exercises of all sorts of austerities cannot equal the merit of it."

Note: The "orthodox" heretics, by employing St. John's liturgy ... in a non-jurisdictional heretic cult are doing the opposite.

Saint John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church, died 407 A.D. >
"You must do this, too, beloved. You know that the present life is short; if we do not earn our profits here, we will have no salvation hereafter. Gaining a single soul can often erase the burden of countless sins and be the price which buys us life on that day. ... You must do this with all the strength you have. You must devote all your zeal and concern to bringing back those who have strayed."

Note: The "orthodox" heretics, by employing St. John's liturgy ... in a non-jurisdictional heretic cult are doing the opposite.

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1.  We provide here a much shortened version of the Section 13.2 of the site ... which addresses the Catholic Dogma on Automatic Excommunication from Christianity (the Catholic Church, which has no buildings or personnel hierarchy at this time) ... for believing heresy or for physical participation in a heretic cult.

2.  The Catholic Solemn Magisterium has promulgated Sources of Dogma ... which define the spiritual reality of Automatic Excommunication because of the obvious logistical inability of excommunicating all heretics by a formal process.

Second Council of Constantinople, Sentence against the Three Chapters section, 553 A.D. -- Ex-Cathdra Dogma >
"The heretic, even though he has not been condemned formally by any individual, in reality brings anathema on himself, having cut himself off from the way of truth by his heresy."

Council of Florence, Session 11, 4 February 1442 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"The Holy Roman Church ... condemns, reproves, anathematizes and declares to be outside the body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views."

Pope Pius VI, Errors of the Synod of Pistoia, 1794 A.D. >
"Likewise, the proposition which teaches that it is necessary, according to the natural and divine laws, for either excommunication or for suspension, that a personal examination should precede, and that, therefore, sentences called 'ipso facto' have no other force than that of a serious threat without any actual effect, - false, rash, pernicious, injurious to the power of the Church."

Saint Antoninus, died 1459 A.D., cited in Actes de Vatican I. V. Frond pub. >
"In the case in which the Pope would become a heretic, he would find himself, by that fact alone and without any other sentence, separated from the Church. A head separated from a body cannot, as long as it remains separated, be head of the same body from which it was cut off. A Pope who would be separated from the Church by heresy, therefore, would by that very fact itself cease to be head of the Church. He could not be a heretic and remain Pope, because, since he is outside of the Church, he cannot possess the keys of the Church."

Note: The vatican-2 heretic cult (founded in 1965 at the Vatican) does not have the Office of the Papacy ... only the Catholic Church has the Papacy.

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1.  After bringing about your automatic excommunication for heresy and for participation in a heretic cult ... the manner by which one re-enters Christianity (the Catholic Church) ... is by the four steps on Section 2.1 ... of this site. This will include making a formal Abjuration of heresy, see next point.

2.  The Catholic Sources of Dogma which define that making an Abjuration is required after being automatically excommunicated are listed on Section 40.1 of this site. Here is one of the Sources of Dogma ...

Lateran Council III, Pope Alexander III, Canon 27, 1179 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"We likewise decree (...) that they should be subject in every way to the same sentence and penalty as the above-mentioned heretics and that they should not be received into the communion of the Church, unless they abjure their pernicious society and heresy."

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First Council of Constantinople, Canon 7, 381 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Those who embrace orthodoxy and join the number of those who are being saved from the heretics ... these we receive when they hand in statements and anathematize every heresy which is not of the same mind as the Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of God." 3.  After making the Abjuration, say the Profession of Faith from the Council of Trent.

4.  There are two MS-word files on Section 19.1. Both of these files are Abjurations, the first one is specifically for leaving the vatican-2 heresy and the other is for leaving all other heresies. These files also contain the Council of Trent Profession of Faith. The last page of the Abjuration has a signature page for yourself and two witnesses.

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1.  God knows full well that there is not a single bishop or priest on the face of the earth ... which means Sacramental Confession is not available anywhere in the world in these times.

2.  God is infinitally just and He would not make Sacramental Confession a requirement to get to Heaven while at the same time knowing it is not available.

3.  There is Catholic Dogma on what to do to get back to a state of grace, after falling into sin ... when confession is not available. This Sub-part is an abbreviation of Section 10.2 of this site.

4.  Below is one Source of Dogma stating what we are to do when confession is not available. The penitent should take the following actions:

           A.  Confess your sins to God ... there is a very detailed list of sins on Section 10.1 of this site to assist you.
           B.  Have perfect contrition for your sins (as opposed to imperfect contrition) ... see Section 10.2 for the difference.
           C.  Have the disposition of soul that you would go to a priest if one were available (which there isn't) ... for Confession.
           >  The above three steps places your soul back into a state of grace when Confession is not available.

Council of Trent, Session 14, Chapter 4, On Contrition, 1551 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma > "It sometimes happens that this contrition is perfect through charity, and reconciles man with God before this sacrament be actually received, the said reconciliation, nevertheless, is not to be ascribed to that contrition, independently of the desire of the sacrament which is included therein."

Note 1: See additional Sources of Dogma on this subject on Section 10.2 of this site.

Note 2: The above citation of the Council of Trent is not to say that there is such a thing as "baptism of desire". The "baptism of desire" heresy is condemned by the Catholic Dogma we list in Sections 7.2 and 7.6 of this site.

5.  Please keep in mind that you must make your general confession of sins after Abjuring and entering the Catholic Church ... since there is no forgiveness of sins outside of the Catholic Church.

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, 18 Nov 1302 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: ‘One is my dove, my perfect one'."

Catholic De Fide Dogma, Section XII: Penance, Dogma 1 >
"The Church has received from Christ the power of remitting sins committed after Baptism."

Note: This De Fide citation is referring to the Catholic Church ... not the vatican-2 heretic cult that was founded in 1965 at the Vatican.

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1.  The Catholic Church has always done a conditional re-baptism on persons who underwent what looked like baptism ... in a heretic cult ("lutheran", "anglican", "orthodox", "methodist", "evangelical", etc.). Note: This practice of conditional re-baptism now must extend to the vatican-2 heretic cult.

2.  It is very easy to falsify baptism by falsification of intent ... not having the intention to remit Original Sin. Please see Section 7 for Catholic Dogma on proper intent.

Council of Florence, Session 8, 22 November 1439 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"All these sacraments are made up of three elements: namely, things as the matter, words as the form, and the person of the minister who confers the sacrament with the intention of doing what the Church does. If any of these is lacking, the sacrament is not effected."

3.  Please see Section 7 for complete baptism instructions including instructions for conditional re-baptism.

4.  If your infant baptism in an "orthodox" heretic meeting hall was valid ... you were in the Catholic Church until you turned 7 years old. The day after turning 7 years old, if you were participating in the "orthodox" heresy ... God the Holy Spirit removed your soul from the Catholic Church.

5.  Tying together conditional re-baptism and abjuration ... since your baptism in the "orthodox" meeting hall may have been valid (and you were in the Catholic Church for a time) ... this is the reason you have to make an Abjuration of heresy. You need to Abjure since you have no way of knowing if your baptism was falsified.

6.  Section 2.1 provides complete instructions on how to enter the Catholic Church for those who were never baptized and for those who were perhaps baptized.

7.  For those who underwent what looked like a baptism as an adult in an "orthodox" heretic meeting hall (or any other heresy, including vatican-2) your "baptism" was not valid and you remain in the state of Original Sin. The reason for this ... is because as an adult you must believe the Catholic Dogmas whole and inviolate at the moment of baptism for the baptism to be valid ... since the Catholic Holy Spirit cannot honor a "baptism" into heresy (since God cannot deny Himself) ... as an adult you can only be baptized into the Catholic truth.

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